I’ve recently been visiting Google+ communities to discuss the existence of God. There are several communities that post and debate on atheist and theist materials. I think is a great way to build your apologetic skills and be ready to address any questions you might get while sharing the Gospel. There are many more atheists in the communities than there are Christians which is disappointing. Also, it can get a bit overwhelming when you have 3, 4, or 5 atheists challenging you at the same time. These communities are an excellent place to see Proverbs 17:12 in action! (Better to meet a bear robbed of her cubs than a fool bent on folly) We certainly need more Christian voices on the web so please consider joining in the share the Gospel and glorify the Lord by addressing atheists on the internet.
I was recently using a presuppositional apologetic when an atheist stated that presuppositional apologetics was refuted and posted a link to a youtube video. There are actually several videos from a you-tuber knows as KnownNoMore. These videos focus on Sye Ten Bruggencate and his presuppositional approach. Sye has become very popular on youtube and has debated many popular atheists. To learn more about Sye and his ministry, please visit ProofThatGodExists.org. Also, check out his video produced by Crown Rights Media called How to Answer the Fool. The video is an excellent resource for learning the presuppositional approach to apologetics.
For the next few weeks, I’ll be going through KnownNoMore’s videos and exploring the content. I wasn’t able to respond to the atheist in the Google community since I hadn’t had any exposure to these videos before. He was able to use the video to deflect the conversation and my questions.
My goal is to create a resource to direct atheists to when this video is brought up again to keep the focus on the absurdity of the unbelievers world view. I also hope that other apologists can use the blog as a resource too.
Let’s start with part 1 and we’ll work through each of his videos. I do have to admit, I like the background music that he has in his videos. He goes at a nice pace, has a good online presence and voice which adds credibility to his videos. Also, he attempts to deal with Sye’s arguments at an intellectual level, and I haven’t seen any ad hominem attacks yet.
Here is the link to part 1
KnownNoMore (KNM) states that Sye presupposes God exists and revealed things in such a way that we can be absolutely certain about. Without doing that, absolute global skepticism applies, and you can’t know or account for anything at all.
He doesn’t have it quite right here. It’s not that global skepticism applies, and you can’t know or account for anything at all. What we are saying is that the unbeliever does know things. The unbeliever is made in the image of God (Gen 1:16-27), and God reveals things to him just like Christians (Ps 19:1-4). Moreover, he is able to be absolutely certain about things including God’s existence (Rom 1:19). The unbeliever does this the same way a Christian does. God reveals things to us so that we can know them for certain. Even in this early part of the video, we can see how KNM thinks of himself as the starting point of knowledge. The unbeliever knows things for certain, but cannot justify how by using a world view where they are the starting point of knowledge and suppress the authority of God (Rom 1:21). The difference is that the Christian accepts that God is the starting point for knowledge and therefore, can justify how certain knowledge exists. (Proverbs 9:10)
KNM then addresses the question “Is it impossible for God to exist?” I’ve heard this question used to start conversations with unbelievers. 100% of the time, the unbeliever will say “Yes”, which is a reasonable answer. However, KNM attempts to provide an argument to answer “No” to this question. I suggest that if KNM does indeed feel that it is IMPOSSIBLE for God to exist, he should show some support for his position instead of saying he isn’t able to understand the question since he can’t understand the attributes of God. KNM is simply being intellectually dishonest when he says that it is impossible for God to exist.
To summarize, part 1 was a very basic video that outlined general points of the presuppositional apologetic approach. I thought it was interesting how this video shows that KNM makes himself the starting point for knowledge. It’s clear that he doesn’t quite grasp the Christian starting point and that without starting with God, you can’t account for knowledge. He attempts to refute the apologetic through the very unusual tactic of refusing to admit the possibility of God’s existence. However, he eventually concedes that it is possible that God exists so that he can examine more of Sye’s presuppositional apologetic approach. I’ll be reviewing the other videos by KnownNoMore in the next few weeks.